User talk:Daniel Benfield

Feel free to leave a message, and I'll try to get back to you as quickly as possible (assuming, of course, that your comment necessitates a reply). -Daniel Benfield 01:27, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

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 * User talk:Daniel Benfield/2013 Archive

About a Nighttime Circulation list
Hi Daniel. This is UltimaGanon. I was wondering if you would consider adding a list of currently circulating nighttime episodes, the same type of thing you have for the daytime episodes (the existing/circulating list).

173.252.33.52 23:21, January 1, 2014 (UTC)UltimaGanon
 * Honestly, at this time I don't see a need for one...at least not outside of my userspace, mainly because I don't actually know precisely what circulates (and couldn't put quite a few into timeframes like the Video Archives because some of them aren't online; I do know the "what circulates" list includes about half of Season 6 and the entirety of Season 7) and I'd be getting distracted by updating that page constantly, not to mention that more recent seasons are usually available online. It's a good idea, though, and I'll definitely keep it in mind. :) -Daniel Benfield (talk) 12:09, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Gameplay Structure
Daniel, where did these recollections about the gameplay structure being changed come from? I'm watching tonight's Wheel of Fortune episode right now and the Mystery Round is not in Round One as said recollection claimed.74.199.41.92 00:31, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Game Show Network Logo
Hello, Daniel. I had uploaded the original Game Show Network logo last night. I originally found it as a JPEG file. However, I opened it in Paint and saved as a PNG, and per the Manual of Style, I re-uploaded it as such. I am doing the best that I can to obey your rules, unlike that other user. [I need not mention his user name.] Have a nice day, sir.—Brandon Devers 13:21, February 18, 2014 (UTC)

Busted!
It seems the RuTube WoF archive is no more, unfortunately. I thought that because it was a non-English site, it could be pulled off. I guess not. Mechamind (talk) 00:59, February 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * How did they manage to do that? Gameshowguy2000 (talk) 04:06, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of Wheel of Fortune episodes on Veoh.com, thank goodness. Just hope the people who posted them have a block to keep companies like Sony from being able to get in there and remove them.74.199.41.92 13:33, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm really not sure why Sony would go after Kingskip to begin with, since it seemed for a while that their viewpoint was "Ah, screw it, let 'em have their Wheel and Jeopardy!." As far as I know, he wasn't making money off the hundreds of videos he had up.
 * As I said over on BAV when this was brought up, though, I really don't want to think about how much is going to have to be done. No pages will be moved, condensed into others, or deleted until after the cleanup/replacements, and then only after the remainder's assessed to determine what individual seasons (of 7, 12, 13, 14, 27, 28, 29, and 30) should still have their own dedicated subpages.
 * If anybody knows any suitable replacements, by all means go ahead and replace. (Just make sure what you're replacing has actually been removed.) I've already taken care of the Daytime Video Archive, which has only had one casualty (12/21/87). -Daniel Benfield (talk) 18:31, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

About the Archive
Well, the reason I left the text there is that I didn't know if you wanted to keep it there or remove it altogether. No I haven't found links for those episodes... yet. Most of them I probably won't be able to find links for. I wanted to leave it up to you what to do with the text. UltimaGanon (talk) 05:05, February 27, 2014 (UTC)UltimaGanon
 * If no footage is available for an episode, the listing probably shouldn't be there and can easily be re-added if something of it is found. The only exceptions are for Megaword puzzles, per the Season 12 page.
 * If the only available link for an episode goes to a message saying "This video is private.", structure the listing like any other but add the tags so it'll be there if the video is ever set to Public (anybody can see it) or Hidden (only those with the link can see it). If said video ends up being removed (which can also be noted by YouTube as being "unavailable"), the listing should be removed (again barring instances of Megaword). -Daniel Benfield (talk) 05:14, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

RuTube
I'm trying to open up cached pages of those Wheel of Fortune episodes so I can watch them on rutube but it isn't working, surprisingly. What gives? 74.199.41.92 00:10, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * They've all been deleted. BryceLozier (talk) 00:56, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think he knows, he's trying to pull up the caches of those videos. Caches restore a webpage at a prior date in which it worked. I've tried pulling up the caches as well, and I also wonder why it doesn't work. UltimaGanon (talk) 03:25, March 18, 2014 (UTC)UltimaGanon
 * Never knew you could do that! You learn something new every day, I guess. BryceLozier (talk) 04:07, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * But my question is, why, if I'm opening up a cached version of the page from a date prior to the video being removed, the video isn't playing? I'm taken to the page with the video but I am just shown a blank white section where the video screen should be. 74.199.41.92 12:19, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * No idea why that's happening. It's possible that RuTube has measures in place to prevent the videos from being played in the cache, but that's a total guess. -Daniel Benfield (talk) 04:26, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Yellow/Tan
Does anyone know why the yellow wedges on the pre-1986 Wheel are being referred to as tan on the timeline?

W. Austin Higgins (talk) 03:49, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess some people (mostly myself) confused the two, since at least to me the yellow wedges looked tan. If it's wrong (and I'm pretty sure it is given your contributions), go ahead and fix them if need be. -Daniel Benfield (talk) 03:56, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

"and where did the 5/12/89 info come from?"
I have the episode on tape. Didn't you see me recap it on Buy a Vowel? TenPoundHammer (talk) 13:36, April 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * I usually don't go into the retro recap section. I had thought it popped up online somewhere and I missed it, so I'll gladly take my spoonful of herp-a-derp and leave it at that. :) -Daniel Benfield (talk) 22:01, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

About the man winning the $10,000 Wedge twice...
Here's my proof of its happening.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.tv.game-shows/bouffar%7Csort:relevance%7Cspell:false/alt.tv.game-shows/YsYzQkYEMoY/HV5IK-lnfVgJ
 * Proof wasn't really necessary, but always good to have. :) (Also...wow, Joe Capitano's Wheel recaps look bad when it comes to trying to figure out what the puzzles were; I don't need any help figuring them out, mind you, but holy crap that's some ill-advised formatting.) -Daniel Benfield (talk) 07:52, April 7, 2014 (UTC)

The Truth vs. Rumors

 * 1) Not every person that worked for Wheel of Fortune is still alive. Some of them have been "deceased" which means they have passed away. Example: Charlie O'Donnell passed away in November 2010.
 * 2) I'm the kind of person that likes to be organized and neat. It is true that both CTV & CBC has aired Wheel of Fortune back in the day.
 * 3) I'm here to be fair; not to fool around. And what kind of person does not want to be very specific? e.g.: "83-84" instead of 1983-1984.
 * 4) I try to be a positive person and I can't vandalize on any wikia site.
 * 5) Not every wikia site has certain badges that you can earn. When I saw Wheel of Fortune Wikia for example, you can earn badges by adding categories, uploading pictures, article editing, for contributing to the wiki for 1 consecutive year or 365 days in a row.
 * 6) I always try to think before doing anything. I can't earn my badges if I don't contribute consecutively.
 * So, what don't you want me to do? What things would you say is appropriate to this site?
 * 1) I'm not here to spread rumors or tell a lie or fool around. I'm here to gather the facts!


 * In order:
 * 1) I'm well aware of that. I just think the individual pages themselves note whether someone is alive or dead better than a category could. At that moment, the use of a "deceased" category felt...wrong, and I'm not sure how to explain that.
 * 2) Fair enough.
 * 3) Point one: that's good. Point two: being very specific is fine, so long as it's accurate.
 * 4) Well, it's not that you can't vandalize (i.e., it's possible to do so); it's that you shouldn't (i.e., you'd get in trouble).
 * 5) I'm well aware of that. As has been noted around here (particularly on Gameshowsareforever's talk page), we're not doing this Wiki for the badges.
 * 6) Point one: great to do. Point two: see above. If you want to do it for the badges, that's your prerogative and all I can do is make sure the edits don't break anything.
 * 7) Other than the obvious stuff we hold to everybody (don't post false stuff, don't vandalize, don't forget to sign your messages on talk pages, pretty much anything Wikia says "Hey, you, don't do that." to)? Uploading badly-named pictures (the various GSN logos), and moving quotes or pictures for no discernible reason; you've made galleries where there was previously no real need for them (particularly the Wheel configurations page), and a "Quote" section on the Pat Sajak page that consisted of the one previously at the top of said page...which ended up putting the "Drunk" section underneath it.
 * 8) (er, 7b) We have a different style than the Game Shows Wiki and aren't affiliated with them outside of both being Wikia sites. As such, it seemed as if you were trying to put their style of pages onto this Wiki (ask an admin or on the respective talk page if you think the formatting or somesuch of a page could be improved). Other than those, though...I can't really say anything negative.
 * 9) (er, 7c) As for what's appropriate...this Wiki's been around for three years, and I'm still not sure I can really answer that question. It might be a good thing to put to the Wiki at large on the front page's talk page.
 * 10) (er, 8) ...When did I accuse you of doing any of those? If you're here to gather the facts, by all means; if you're posting something based on a recollection, it's probably best to note "according to one recollection" or the like since it prevents people from going "Well, they said it happened!" if it turns out said statements aren't true due to being muddled over years (or, heck, being out-and-out lies).
 * 11) (because I wanted to note this) Like I said, new quality contributors are always welcome; personally (and TPH, who created this place, might think otherwise), I think we got off to a shaky start. Further, your comments came across as thinking I hated you; even if I'm wrong on that assessment, I don't hate you (it's not worth it to get riled up) and want you to keep contributing. -Daniel Benfield (talk) 01:23, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

Nighttime Wheel, S-1
Think you may want to see this...

http://www.facebook.com/winkmartindalegames/photos/a.1485144971712624.1073741827.1485120435048411/1523845044509283/?type=1

"Wheel of Fortune" (Syndication) Show # S-1 VTR 7-6-83 AIR TBA

BryceLozier (talk) 01:40, April 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ever more proof that every time I think the classic Wheel well's run dry, I'm proven wrong. :) Alongside the obvious gift (when the nighttime version began taping), it also indicates that the Ohio State Fair shows taped August 18-19 were not the first nighttime shows by a long shot (#S-52 was taped August 28, so they'd already done the first ten weeks at maximum before 8/18). It also proves that the slates did not use leading zeros.
 * And of course, the comments want to see Woolery Wheel. Heck, if anybody can pull out super-rare Woolery footage (if Wink or one of his cohorts is reading this: #1, welcome; #2, anything from 1975 would be appreciated) at this point, it's these guys...and perhaps videoarchives1000, given his fantastic collection.
 * (On a side note, I added some  tags to your message, since it's clear you intended to show it the way it was on the slate.) -Daniel Benfield (talk) 04:39, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

New episode?
Check my talk page. Apparently there's a conflict on February 1989 episodes. Any chance you can untangle? TenPoundHammer (talk) 05:31, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

Prize Puzzle in 1997
Well, this has been quite a week for earthshattering news surrounding Classic Wheel, but here's another you might want to take a look at. It's the "Prize Puzzle" but in 1997, and yes it's even referred to as the Prize Puzzle by Pat.

Prize Puzzle in 1997 thread/video

Wow is all I have to say, just wow.

UltimaGanon (talk) 01:38, April 14, 2014 (UTC)UltimaGanon
 * I'll look into what's available of Season 15 and see if I can find anything else, but it's definitely getting noted in Gameplay elements and the timeline. All I have to say (I'll post my full thoughts in the thread) is...wow, it sucked just as hard back then, too. -Daniel Benfield (talk) 02:14, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

1995 Episode
I used to have the September 26, 1995 episode (where Ann retires undefeated and finally wins a bonus round) on tape from 1996 summer reruns. I don't remember the male contestant's name but I definitely remember the Ann's female opponent was named Michelle.

Bobby88 (talk) 23:58, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Season 13 suggestion.
I have some evidence that the "1000-3500-5000" format was in use for the Seattle episodes and the first week of Hawaii. You may want to put that in.

Another thing: On one of the Seattle episodes, Charlie reads the description for the Round 3 Prize (a $3,000+ trip to Paris) against precedent.

First-run archive suggestion
The recent YouTube archive of S31 episodes was mass-wiped by Sony. If it was up to me, the only newer episodes I'd link are ones featured individually, as they are less likely to be taken down. If they are taken down, it wouldn't be all at once.

I'm still not as concerned about pre-S26 episodes, which are probably at the same level as individual uploads.

Mechamind (talk) 03:08, July 5, 2014 (UTC)

Wheel 2000 layout
About the Wheel 2000 layout, Daniel, I personally believe that it should be noted that the color scheme on the first taped episode was consistently patternized (indigo/black, blue, red, yellow, orange, pink, green) throughout. But since it's your Wiki, I don't know how you feel about that or if you think you can find a place that is better to put it than where I put it.

The other thing was I wanted to know if it is okay to post screenshots of computer/video game versions of Wheel.

It never ends.
Note that I didn't say I was completely confident about pre-S26 episodes. Guess what happened on YouTube just a while ago? Mechamind (talk) 00:13, July 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * I saw; I was one of those affected. It's their right, after all. -Daniel Benfield (talk) 01:03, July 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and I mentioned the YouTube/Sony debacle in the message to you over at GS Wiki, where I have been helping date the Roberto STYD episodes. It's time to start cutting/pruning/purging/trimming links. Gameshowguy2000 (talk) 02:27, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

Sony Strikes Again
Sony Pictures Entertainment filed a copyright claim on full Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy episodes recently! Remove the links to the full Wheel of Fortune episodes that were taken down from YouTube due to the copyright stuff by Sony! Justin731994 (talk) 06:03, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * I have started removing some links and replacing them with others. Gameshowguy2000 (talk) 17:11, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think someone needs to send a complaint letter to Sony, telling them that the point of video websites are to upload videos and if they are going to be taking them off, then there is no point in video websites being available on the Internet. Someone should also ask them how they'd like it if they had a favorite video on YouTube or somewhere else and got really upset about it being removed. Let's see what they say about that! If I had my own YouTube account, I'd just non-stop repeatedly repost the videos, battling it out with these companies, even if I had to keep launching new accounts. I wouldn't let them win. 74.199.41.92 18:11, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * They have the right to, it's their property, whether we like it or not. Imagine if you'd put a ton of time and work into a project, only to see someone steal it and pass it off as their own. That's basically what people who upload copyrighted material to YouTube do (whether they put a disclaimer or not). Not gonna lie, I enjoy watching game show uploads there, but the people who post them do so at their own risk. And with your idea of "battling" Sony, they would eventually track you down and arrest you (IP addresses can be tracked to physical addresses) for copyright infringement. BryceLozier (talk) 18:20, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't realize they could actually arrest someone. Never mind that last part I said, but seriously, someone should at least tell Sony that video websites are "pointless" if they or another company are going to remove videos. Wouldn't you agree with that? 74.199.41.92 18:32, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * BryceLozier, do you actually know of any online video user who got arrested for repeatedly reposting videos removed for copyright infringement? 74.199.41.92 18:38, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not the point, although yes you can end up going to court over copyright infringement in the worst cases (and I'm willing to bet Sony has a lot more money and lawyers than you do). The point is that it's their property, and as such they have the right to remove it from video sites if they feel the uploads are infringing on copyright. Granted, sure, I don't like that Sony's doing this with no official means to view the same content (for...what, the third time?), and I'd have preferred them to just put ads on the videos so everybody wins (it seems to be the road Fremantle's going, at least), but it's their choice. -Daniel Benfield (talk) 00:05, July 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, on the bright side, I do have a RealPlayer icon on my computer which allows me to download videos. No matter what company removes what video from online websites, I know for a fact they'll never be able to remove the videos from my RealPlayer icon. 74.199.41.92 02:09, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Shopper's Bazaar recording date
According to the UCLA archive, the Shopper's Bazaar pilot was recorded on October 8, 1973. 108.16.7.83 16:39, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * I've known about that for a while now, although I'm not sure where they got said date from. -Daniel Benfield (talk) 16:56, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

Computer and Video Game Screengrabs
By the way, I made sure to check your archive before asking you this, Daniel. If it's been asked, I must've overlooked it. Anyway, is it okay if we posted screenshots of Wheel of Fortune computer and video games to the Wiki? I know we've posted pictures of board games and Tiger's LCD games here, but I want to be sure with PC and VG screenshots.

Germanname (talk) 03:34, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's fine, so long as they're in their native aspect ratio and named appropriately (such as "NES Family Edition title screen.png"). -Daniel Benfield (talk) 14:05, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

Third Million Dollar Winner
Great news, Daniel Benfield! Our third million dollar winner has happened on Wheel of Fortune with contestant Sarah! Spread the word, please. 74.199.41.92 23:59, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Isn't it bad enough spoiling this over on BAV? BryceLozier (talk) 00:06, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * JMO...knock it off. You've been repeatedly told over on BAV not to spoil (the show still hasn't aired in all US timezones). Also, I already knew about the third millionaire because Wheel wouldn't shut the hell up about it. -Daniel Benfield (talk) 01:14, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey, how'd you know I was the one who put that message on buyavowel.boards.net? My signature on this page does not say jmo. 74.199.41.92 16:26, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Buyavowel.boards.net
I am having a little situation going on at buyavowel.boards.net. A few minutes ago, I left a message indicating a mistake that my username, jmo, had an orange bar above the symbol. Moments later, someone wrongfully bans me from the website. I don't know what's going on. Can you help, please?74.199.41.92 03:12, September 27, 2014 (UTC)