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Re:Timeline
Putting the bullet too far to the left seems to be its usage by default. Personally, since I couldn't seen any difference in the formatting, I've removed them. -Daniel Benfield 06:12, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Nickname '79
I found it on YouTube, apparently uploaded by the day's champion. The puzzle is only seen briefly, and the tape has certainly seen better days. The airdate was obtained from a V/O for The Innocent and The Damned, by way of TV Tango.

Nickname? In my Chuck-and-Susan Wheel? It's more likely than you think... --Daniel Benfield 02:52, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Wheel
The top dollar values all moved next to Bankrupt on the Season 27 premiere. Daniel Benfield 01:12, June 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * As for Composer/Song and Show/Song, I vaguely recall a Composer category being used once or twice. I've checked quite a few episodes of Season 13 (the first two shows, October 27, December 1 and 11, the December episode with Ed Asner, January 4 and 25, February 9 and 27, and April 24)...and found nothing, except that Slogan actually debuted by February 9, 1996. Daniel Benfield 02:56, June 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * While I originally disagreed about placing the Wheel 2000 timeline on that version's page, I've quickly grown accustomed to it. For the record, I still consider it Season 18 of the daytime show. (Of course, with such an opinion comes the admission that it got even cheaper, but...) -Daniel Benfield 23:10, June 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Quick thing, here – where did you find the 1986 show with five Free Spins and a player winning without ever spinning the Wheel? -Daniel Benfield 06:19, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re:GSN
Ah. Sorry. I had gotten some stuff mixed up, and besides that I don't have GSN. :( -Daniel Benfield 02:38, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Wheel OF Fortune Season 29
Season Premiere of Season 29 is September 19

I sent Wheel of Fortune an email

and they said Wheel Loves Los Angeles that will air September 12 is a rerun from Season 28

Gift Tag?
Where did you find out the gift tag is retired? Did you go to a taping? If you were referring to the shot of the Spa Fantasy set, they probably just didn't put it or the prize wedge on the wheel yet.


 * I see what you mean, but before each show, they set the wheel so that the yellow contestant's flipper sits in the middle of $2,500. It's possible that they add the prizes as soon as they set the wheel to its starting position, but then again, why are the 1/2 car tags there? It will be sad to see the prize wedges go after all these years if this is the case, but I guess something has to go with everything they're putting on the wheel these days. MarioGS 00:21, August 9, 2011 (UTC) MarioGS

Re:Cynthia Washington
She was listed among my documents as being one of those who filled in between Susan and Vanna. Admittedly, my documents were compiled from a variety of (mostly online) sources, so it may be wrong in areas despite my attempts to keep them up-to-date and error-free (although I've totally given up documenting the newer game/reality shows – that just got to be a pain).

I know for certain that Vanna and McCarty tried out, as claimed by Vanna (they did a week each) and evidenced in the E! True Hollywood Story (speaking of which, I need to find a copy of that for pictures...), and Vanna's claim that she and Vicky (Vicki? I'm not certain about that...) did a week each, leads me to believe that there were two other candidates who also did a week each. If I am incorrect, I apologize. -Daniel Benfield 05:33, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

(On a side note, a search for Susan in Google News turned up a Brides' Week in January 1977!)

Hour-long in November '75? And more!
Some stuff I've found via Google News:


 * It turns out we were VERY wrong about when the hour-long shows began. According to The Dispatch (October 31, 1975), Wheel expanded to an hour for the week of November 3 as part of NBC's Daytime Gigantic Game Gala. This was also the week that Chuck and Susan played on Celebrity Sweepstakes and the week that The Hollywood Squares expanded to an hour. I'm not sure how this affects the December-January hour-long stint, though; for all I know, Wheel may have kept on sailing through January 16.


 * Susan missed at least four weeks in Fall 1977, as mentioned by the Lakeland Ledger (September 26, 1977), due to falling off a trampoline while rehearsing for Circus of the Stars. I'm about 98% sure that Arte Johnson's appearance was during this period.


 * The Christmas Day '78 show, with Jo Ann Pflug and Chuck's daughter Melissa plus what may be the first on-camera appearance of Charlie O' – as Santa!


 * Chuck gets viewers to jam the show's phone line.


 * Portland Week was September 21-25, 1981...although I highly doubt they recorded the episodes there as the article says.


 * There was a pretty funny but unaired segment in January 1982 involving Susan, two firemen, and *ahem* cardiopulmonary resuscitation.


 * Susan taught Vanna (1987).

Just thought I'd share. I've updated the network timeline, Susan's page, and Charlie's page accordingly...but I'm not sure how to go about implementing the last two items. -Daniel Benfield 08:25, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Network timeline
While I understand your logic, I prefer the "season" layout as it kept consistency with the nighttime timeline and made things a bit easier to edit (at least for me). It seems to have not only made certain events flow better, but also kept the page's headers consistent with each other. -Daniel Benfield 21:56, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * September-August just seems more...more "right", to me. My reasoning is that Wheel debuted in midseason, so its first "season" ran until September to let it "catch up" with most of the other TV shows. Further, the original NBC run ended in June 1989 (when one would expect to finish up a season), the switch from CBS to NBC was a midseason event, and the daytime show ended in September 1991 (again, when one would expect to finish up a season). If you agree, great; if not, know that I've made a poll on the WOFLovers board in an attempt to reach a consensus. -Daniel Benfield 07:23, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I botched said poll by voting in it. Not like anybody cared, anyway. While I still think my logic is sound (in addition to the above and the fact it was {IMO} easier to read, the table of contents now looks not only pretty empty, but also cluttered and hard to read – the "year" headers almost blend in with the numerical sections on the left-hand side), I feel that were I to change it back to "my" style...you will just change it back to "your" style. -Daniel Benfield 08:03, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know I changed it back...felt I had to, because it just looked too cluttered otherwise. Change it back if you want; it's your Wiki. -Daniel Benfield 08:31, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Images
I get your message about placing images after the bullets. Sorry about that. In addition, I try to find the right place to place the appropriate image. But thanks to you for your help.

Thanks :)
Much like when I disputed the Wheel 2000 movement, I've managed to grow accustomed to the new layout of the network timeline. My deepest, sincerest apologies if I acted like a moron. No hard feelings, I hope? -Daniel Benfield 03:58, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

June 1987 nighttime show
I just found this episode, uploaded by one of the contestants. It struck me as odd that the show went to commercial when that player won $10,000 and did the shopping during that, but despite a comment on the second video I cannot recall any instance of the show going to break between the puzzle solve and shopping.

I thought I'd alert you to this episode if you didn't know about it, and I'm wondering...would that be considered a mid-round break? -Daniel Benfield 09:30, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Big Bonanza
This episode (other parts are in sidebar), which the uploader claims is from 1988. Sadly, there's no final segment, so I don't know whether it was a repeat – and if so, whether Jack was still alive. -Daniel Benfield 18:02, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Zeroes
There is a picture (I can't remember where) that shows Pat and Vanna in front of the puzzle board in celebration of the 3,000th daytime show (or some x,000 number). The zeroes used there are the same as the "wide O's" from 1989. -Daniel Benfield 03:47, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Edit – I found it. -Daniel Benfield 03:54, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Bonus Round chevrons
I'm talking about those elongated chevrons that debuted with the Bob Goen version. You don't remember them? They were used throughout the entire Goen version, and on the nighttime show from 1989-1992.- Gameshowguy2000 01:31, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Check the Wheel of Fortune timeline (network) page, and you'll see them in the background behind Goen.- Gameshowguy2000 01:31, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

For a better look at them, I recommend this page. Scroll down until you see the $5,000 sign and Subaru Justy photos (I think that was the car during the first week of shows); they're right behind it. That should give you a good idea of what they look like. - Gameshowguy2000 23:14, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

The 90's in...November 1994
A Dallas episode in Season 12 used "The Nineties", which can be seen here. (The puzzle refers to an event on September 14, 1994.)

Just when I think I've found everything there is to know, there comes this. -Daniel Benfield 17:38, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Ross Perot bonus question
The question was, "How did he make his money?", to which the answer was that he was in the Information Technology business. Jude, the contestant who solved the puzzle and got that question, said he was in real estate. - Gameshowguy2000 23:31, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Odd IP Address Edits
I noticed these odd notes were added to the network timeline by the IP address 68.63.217.221:

-On one show, Chuck is in a tuxedo. This may have been from a Wedding themed week.
 * 1980

-At the end of the June 23 show, Vanna says to Pat she went on a vacation and gives him some gifts that she found for him.
 * 1986

-Jack Clark's last show airs this [May], possibly on the 6th. Charlie O'Donnell begins to fill in as announcer. -For one week [in August] Johnny Gilbert fills in as announcer.
 * 1988

-August 30 is the day the last first-run show on daytime television airs (Classic Concentration also airs its last daytime show).
 * 1991

...I really don't know about any of this. I've been able to trace Jack's premature departure to this obituary from July 27, which states that he left the show "several months ago". Aside from that and maybe the 1991 bit, I am uncertain how much of this is accurate. The bit about Chuck in a tuxedo seems to refer to a photograph I have yet to find, and the only thing which matches the comment is the 1977 Brides' Week (although that kind of event may very well have occurred more than once). -Daniel Benfield 07:22, September 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've edited the comments to fit the guidelines (bullet points, etc.); based on an edit to the nighttime timeline by the same IP address, it seems to be a knowledgeable American user. -Daniel Benfield 09:07, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Articles Of Interest?
Some items of interest I found while trying to verify the above:
 * I may have found the reason Wheel slapped a 1983 tag on a '70s open, and it involves a reporter whose research "skills" were worse than Leach (July 14, 1988).
 * Nancy Jones offered Vanna the daytime hosting reins! (July 27, 1988...and suddenly, all those video games don't seem so weird.)
 * Vanna shoots down rumors that she demanded the daytime hosting reins. (August 21, 1988)
 * Oddity about the nighttime show – 15 seconds of the July 27, 1988 show were cut out in favor of a Jimmy Carter campaign ad from '76!
 * Note about an amusing 1988 Samsung ad – a robotic hostess on Wheel in 2012. Vanna sued them for $1,000,000.
 * Apparently, the Radio City Music Hall stint didn't go so well...

-Daniel Benfield 07:22, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Official Word on Overdubbing
If you are talking about a message someone from the show left to a member of the Sony boards, then posted it on the boards, it basically said that it was a tough decision and they decided that it would have been too sad to hear Charlie's voice so close to his death. MarioGS 03:05, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've added the official reason to Charlie O'Donnell along with Misconceptions and Myths, but I wanted to state my two cents on the matter – mainly, I don't believe a word of it. Not only does it fly in the face of what has been done on game shows in the past (i.e., The Price Is Right), they pretty much erased the man's work. Sure, the official reason tugs at heartstrings and may be good PR, but in my opinion it's just BS. Of course, I'd rather hear their reasoning for dubbing the Summer reruns, since that makes even less sense and there's no defense Wheel could put up. -Daniel Benfield 15:03, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Tracey Schwengel Episode
It's from Season 14, sometime between February 24 and May 5. The set decorations suggest the week of April 28 (Wheel Across America), which immediately knocks out May 2, while a couple of tape collections kick out April 30 (Terry/Ray/Megan) as well.

Based on the fact that Tracey swept Rounds 1-3 and the actual winner's huge score, I'd say this game went for 5-7 rounds. Also, Round 2 was great. :) -Daniel Benfield 04:04, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re:October 1989
Right here (continues on Page 2). There's also some Seasons 5-6 shows, a bunch of others from 1983-86, and almost every daytime episode that was/is on YouTube. -Daniel Benfield 20:25, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

Null Turn Edits
Are Bankrupts/dud vowels really edited out in "null" cycles all the time, even if they have money? Those two incidents in Season 28 (the guy losing $1,200 and the Wild Card, and the woman buying an unaired vowel) could have been flukes. I noticed my addition to the note on editing in the timeline ("...or affecting any of the contestants' scores") and my removal of a supposed "null" cycle not being removed (from the first week of S29) was reverted. I'm pretty sure they usually make sure that no letters were added or money/extras were subtracted. That show during Family Week with the Bankrupt-Bankrupt-Lose a Turn cycle had to be left in because the red team lost over $4,000. Bankrupts are normally only edited out if the player didn't have any money to begin with. MarioGS 18:58, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

But did he specify if the person who hit Bankrupt lost money? If not, it's basically a Lose a Turn and I know they do edit out $0 Bankrupts in cycles. I remember an episode in Season 27 where you could briefly see the "BANKRUPT" graphic on one contestant's scoreboard dissolve away even though it wasn't her turn, so that meant an edit (she didn't have any money to begin with). MarioGS 01:41, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

This is what they edit out routinely if they occur consecutively: Consonants not in the puzzle, Lose a Turn hits, Bankrupt hits when the player doesn't have any money or tokens, Missolves (presumably. I don't think that's ever been involved). They can't edit out cycles where people lose money to Bankrupts. If they did that on the Family Week show, viewers would have seen the red team jump from $4K+ to $0 when they hit Free Play after the 3 penalty spins. The two notable "disappearing money" edits during Season 28 and the one on the aforementioned episode were most likely flukes (though the ones in S28 didn't end up mattering since they ended up losing all their aired winnings to an aired Bankrupt anyway). When they edit out a null cycle, not only do they have to make sure there were no letters added, but the scores can't be changed either so viewers don't think anything suspicious is going on. I remember in at least one episode last season there were 3 consecutive duds, though one of them was a vowel, so they couldn't be edited out. The 3 consecutive penalty spins not being edited out was not anything to note, just the edit before that shouldn't have been. On the other note, I do remember a null cycle last season that survived to air, but I don't remember the airdate. Sorry. MarioGS 01:41, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Free Play Solve
Do you remember the date of the episode where a contestant solved on Free Play for the first (and so far only) time? I know it was during mid-Season 28, a Culver City show, and it was by a young woman as the blue contestant. MarioGS 01:09, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

I meant the first time a contestant actually solved the puzzle directly after spinning Free Play. It was the only solve attempt on the wedge so far. It was near the end of a round. The puzzle was obvious, and she probably only did it because Pat brought up the idea like he usually does when people land on it near the end of a puzzle. MarioGS 02:03, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Category strip/prize value/credits fonts
I know during the Red Letter Sweepstakes, there were two fonts used--Gill Sans, and one that I think resembles Helvetica. Is the Helvetica-like font Gill Sans, or was Gill Sans the font used starting with the final 2 weeks of the sweepstakes? Because I've seen the Helvetica-like font used on occasions (including Red Letter Sweepstakes #1) Gameshowguy2000 04:15, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Dr. Logo
S/he continues to remove the right-justification tags, add pointless captions, and has recently uploaded a picture with a three-mile-long name (I've uploaded a slightly cropped version with a better filename). We've tried to be nice and point out the MOS (which probably should be added to the front page of the Wiki), but s/he has refused to listen. Something needs to be done. -Daniel Benfield 05:27, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Two things – 1) I already knew you blocked Dr. Logo for a week (as I note on my user page, I follow every article on this Wiki; that includes pictures and user pages) and 2) ...thanks for promoting me to Co-Admin. :) Won't really change too much, mind you, but still... -Daniel Benfield 06:02, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Philadelphia 1992 shows
I just checked one of the My Favorite Teacher episodes, and in Charlie's intro he says that it's the "Civic Center on the University of Pennsylvania campus..."

Does that mean it's the same thing as the Philadelphia Civic Center? Just curious (the syndicated timeline page says that both weeks were taped at the Philadelphia Civic Center, which suggests that UPenn is located in Philly). Gameshowguy2000 04:14, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

New York City 1988 episode dates
I found out that the trip to NYC in 1988 started earlier than November 14. Check these out:

10/24--http://rutube.ru/tracks/4814423.html

10/28--http://rutube.ru/tracks/4814435.html

11/4--http://rutube.ru/tracks/4814513.html

Let me know if any of the above dates are wrong. Gameshowguy2000 19:40, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

GSN's Wheel repeats
On the GSN page, it says that Season 14 is the newest batch. If I'm not mistaken, didn't they previously air that in 2000? (That's how I remember it when I got GSN, which I don't have any more) I do remember they aired Season 7 starting in the fall of that year. Gameshowguy2000 03:01, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

I figured out that song...
And it's "Little Saint Nick" by The Beach Boys. I think it was around Season 14 when they started using Christmas songs for bumpers, and I believe this was one of them. Gameshowguy2000 23:29, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

On the Harry Friedman page...
I think the Jeopardy! info should be returned, because, like Wheel, he made improvements to that show (i.e. the lifting of the 5-day restriction the Ultimate TOC, the IBM Challenge, etc.). What do you think? Gameshowguy2000 00:30, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hello!
You all may recognize me from G-R.net and WOFL. I actually started this account up when I tried to create a Family Feud Wiki, but I ended up abandoning that project. After a long hiautas and joining WOFL, I came across this wiki. I am glad to be here and I hope to contribute to this impressive account of Wheel's history. Guint 03:40, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

That Megaword Clip...
I really don't know. It's definitely after November 28, since Megaword was also used on Ralph's previous two episodes (one of which was in Round 3) and both of those are/were on YouTube. The only longer stretch of Megaword I'm aware of is February 21-24 (Some of the Greats). -Daniel Benfield 18:05, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Trilon puzzleboards
Well, using the photos here, I was able to compare the number of trilons for each.

The top has 52, the bottom (the road show board used temporarily) has 48.

That should help you. Gameshowguy2000 16:21, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

eBay and the MOS
I've added a note to the MOS prohibiting the use of pictures from eBay due to watermarks, but am unsure how to mention how said site can help editors and has done so in the past (especially in the daytime timeline). Any ideas? -Daniel Benfield 22:36, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Some stuff from Seasons 23-25
So I've been watching loads of episodes from these seasons, and I noticed some stuff not in the timeline that I wanted to share here so as to have them confirmed: More to come later.
 * It appears the second Bankrupt still remained out on the wheel (unless it began as a speed-up) up to the end of Season 24. It also looks as if there was a show where it was accidentally kept out even though R4 began as a Speed-Up (I believed this also happend during the May '06 College Week, but I need to check). It looks as if it was always removed from S25-26, until the second Bankrupt became permanent.
 * The back of the old $10,000 wedge was redesigned to look like the current wedges by 11/2/06; my best guess as to when it happened was when the wedges were redesigned at the beginning of Season 24. It still had its original design during College Week of May 2006.
 * There were three Gift Tags out on the wheel ($700, the pink $300, and the $400 now replaced by Free Play) during the May '06 College Week. There was not a Gift Tag on the $400 on any of the S24 episodes I have watched.
 * On 11/2/06, Pat (as usual at the time) initially forgot to collect the yellow team's Wild Card when they landed on Bankrupt in R3; however, by the end of the round, he appears to have collected it, for in a shot where Pat announces the prize the contestants won, you can barely make it out lying over the $10,000 side of the Mystery Wedge (which he did remember to collect.)
 * The Season 23 Jackpot wedge was used on 10/13/06.
 * Also on 10/13/06, in a departure from normal practice, letters lit up during the Speed-Up uses the bell SFX.

Guint 17:59, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

Dear Ten Pound Hammer,
I need to clarify some issues with you, because you blocked me for supposedly "threatening an administrator". I did not directly threaten an administrator - I meant "Whoever did this will be blocked" as a person who randomly undid the work, not necessarily you, so please don't block me again. I have autism!!! I am sorry if I came across as a "threatening person" -71.10.117.124 01:37, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you 71.89.39.43? If so, then you directly threatened me. I'm looking at the edit histories now, and you said "It is very pertinent dummy!!!!", followed by "The dumb person who did it will be prosecuted!!!", both after I undid your edits. You then claimed on your talk page that "I have the right to block people". How are we, especially me, supposed to think? (Oh, and protip: don't try to play the autism card.) -Daniel Benfield 06:33, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Threatening other users, administrators or otherwise, will get you nowhere. Neither will playing the autism card. I have Asperger's myself but I don't use it as a crutch. TenPoundHammer 07:38, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * But Honestly I have Autism (I'm not lying...) I felt that you thought I was lying. I did not know that I threatened You! I thought I threatened some other "troll" contributor. I was very upset that day and wrote what I shouldn't have... Please Forgive me!!! I need help with my social skills and thank you to Ten Pound Hammer for the message!!! -(preceding unsigned comment by 71.10.117.124)
 * Your current IP is not blocked. Please try not to remove any information, though. TenPoundHammer 00:33, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes Sir, I will respect you!!! :) -(preceding unsigned comment by 71.10.117.124)
 * The problem is not that you're autistic, it's that you tried to use it as an excuse. Also, the edit history shows that you threatened me; not TPH – me. Do you think I'm "some other 'troll' contributor", as you put it? -Daniel Benfield 01:46, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why are you criticizing me for using 3 exclamation marks? No one has criticized me like that. It's kind of a habit. I DON'T necessarily think you're a "troll" contributor because you have a name attached to your username! Ten Pound Hammer is a very nice person! Listen to me, I'm a nice person too. I'm sorry that I threatened you if I did! -(preceding unsigned comment by 71.10.117.124)


 * Don't worry about it. You say the comment wasn't directed at me or Daniel, and I believe you. TenPoundHammer 03:32, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, alright, we'll let it drop...although looking at the edit it definitely seems like he called me a dummy. (Also, for the record and in my opinion, multiple exclamation points and Randomly capitalized Words that Get Capitalized randomly make that person look less credible.) -Daniel Benfield 03:50, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK- You have the right to your own opinion Daniel... Let's leave it at that, alright? -(preceding unsigned comment by 71.10.117.124)

Re:Season 10 Press Kit
Here. Unfortunately, the pages were photographed at angles, so not much is visible. Still, the date of March 6, 1986 is under the same bullet as closed-captioning. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Nancy's two-page bio. -Daniel Benfield 21:05, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Megaword
I found it on the Game Show Forum. Can't remember where, though. (Also, the other buzz-out was a Speed-Up.) -Daniel Benfield 02:53, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

Regarding that eBay Season 10 Press Kit...
One of the photos says that SF week was 11/2, Soap College Challenge was 11/9, Philly was 11/16, and My Favorite Teacher week was 11/23. Any of those dates wrong? On the timeline page, we've got it as 11/9 for Philly, 11/16 for My Favorite Teacher week, and 11/23 for Soap College Challenge. Gameshowguy2000 05:03, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

Puzzle board chase lights and 227
Okay, I know that the chase light patterns reversed in January/February 1987 (a nighttime episode from the week of January 5 uses the "old" patterns and the February 13 daytime show uses the reversed ones), but the 227 episode aired October 4, 1986 also uses the reversed patterns.

"Nighttime had no champs, so it probably aired out of order." Yeah, but the December 1986 daytime Teen Week, taped over a month after the 227 episode aired, uses the old patterns!

The 227 episode also has the final set of starburst backdrops, so...yeah, I'm confused. Maybe it was just done that way for the sitcom, like the Round 3 layout was slightly different. -Daniel Benfield 18:39, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

The Most Awkward Moment Of Wheel Of Fortune Video
You know - I'd like to discuss something about the video: I thought it was real because CLAM _IGGER looked like a legitimate puzzle, with real graphics on it. Usually I don't get easily fooled, but that one did! My uncles say that putting different letters are easy if you work with computers (which they do, but that's besides the point). I find it weird that "Darren" picked an N and looked all confused. I would've solved it as CLAM DIGGER. 71.10.117.124 23:28, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

The Byrnes pilots...got aired?
I just heard something interesting from my mother, who also has memories of a 1975-ish contestant who wore a fur coat for an entire episode – she remembers seeing the Edd Byrnes pilots on TV, on either an NBC or ABC affiliate during the daytime. I thought she was referring to the 3,000th nighttime show, but she said no.

Game show pilots don't normally air except as a one-off special before the series itself began, so maybe Wheel aired its second and/or third pilots in Fall 1974? Maybe it was the test that led to Byrnes being dismissed?

Perhaps my mother's memory is faulty, but we've listed recollections elsewhere, so... -Daniel Benfield 01:41, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Wild Card
gskingdom.blogspot.com has recaps of just about every Wheel going back to S24 at the latest. I was mainly searching for WC uses on Big Money if any, because I learned from there that they had made a rule change regarding that, though I definitely remembered Pat bringing up the idea early in S25. I was also shocked at all the low WC uses. The only ones I remembered were the two $550 ones (S24 and S26) and the $900 one in S27-28. MarioGS 03:28, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Misconceptions and Myths
I have to say, a few of those listed items were actually there for a reason.


 * VANNA'S PREGNANT – because the show claimed to have "played a round", when it fact that was untrue.
 * BUTTINSKY – because the "What An Idiot" page for Wheel on TV Tropes had incorrect info for the longest time, and also because the sheer length of that round would've immediately planted the thought of "Hm, if it took this long, I doubt it was around much longer."
 * "Vanna For A Day" – because two rounds mid-show doesn't equate to any definition of "day" I've ever seen.
 * The 1952-53 game show called Wheel of Fortune – in case people think Merv based his idea on that, and also because it has many coincidental parallels to Merv's concept.
 * The note about proof regarding 1992-93 daytime shows – a safeguard, just in case there's actually some proof and everybody gets proven wrong.
 * The 2012 Portland weeks – because the press release stated "inaugural trip", i.e. "first time ever", which is untrue.

I've re-added them, albeit slightly edited from how they were before to be a bit less wordy and specific. -Daniel Benfield 07:42, February 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * In order...


 * The intro – the fact that several misconceptions were crafted by the show is arguably the most important.
 * The VANNA'S PREGNANT thing was because Pat specifically said something like "We played a round while you saw that." (emphasis mine), which is wrong because they played a round, discarded it due to extraneous circumstances, and then put in the San-Fran video to fill that time (but Charlie mentions the show was edited, presumably that). Honestly really should've been the best policy (i.e., "We showed you that because the round we originally made was..." and explain Vanna's pregnancy and unfortunate miscarriage). I'm not sure whether they should've removed the round in the first place, or simply put up a disclaimer beforehand like Pat did with THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH CONAN O'BRIEN some time back, but a little more honesty couldn't have hurt; certainly better than what may come across to some as "That round was so boring, we didn't want to waste your time with it. Instead, here's a San-Fran video."
 * "No such thing as $950." – yes, $950 has never been on the Wheel itself, but the show has used it on Wheel layouts as that section mentioned. The header of that section said that $950 was never, ever used.
 * BUTTINSKY – given the round's length, should that be overhauled to say "the last appearance of Slang"? I'd also put something about OXIDIZED and Megaword, given its own infamy.

-Daniel Benfield 02:28, February 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, done. A few things I wanted to note...


 * Your statement that "I don't believe that Wheel is outright lying." struck me as odd, given that among the things they've claimed are 1) Vanna was the first female co-host of a game show {a statement brought to my attention by Otter Mii-kun}; 2) that "1983"-dated 1978 opening; and 3) Vanna for a "Day". To me, those would be considered "outright lying" (and pretty big ones, at that), but to each his own. :)


 * I personally think the VANNA'S PREGNANT section should stay, as it wasn't explained precisely why the round wouldn't be shown; while I suppose contemporary viewers had at least a vague idea of the reasons, more recent viewers likely won't. Some people are likely to take what they see at face value.


 * I really meant no offense at all by any of this, and to be fair it benefited the page by rewriting some of the "colder" sections. I apologize if I caused any anger, facepalming, or headdesking on your end – you know full-well (I hope) that I don't mean to anger or upset others.

-Daniel Benfield 04:08, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Re:11/15/88 Nighttime
...I didn't find it. (At least, I don't think I did.) -Daniel Benfield 21:10, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Terri/Debra/Mike
The thing, though, is that "Changing Keys" isn't muffled as well...or at least, it didn't seem like it to me. -Daniel Benfield 07:05, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Free Spin question...
I know you and Daniel Benfield are the two primary contributors here, so I decided to ask the both of you...

When reading the "Gameplay elements" page, under "Free Spin" there is a section that reads

"Beginning in December 1987 or early 1988, it was kept on the Wheel for Round 1 only and replaced with a yellow $200 in subsequent rounds." (Direct quote from page)

If I am reading this statement right, that would seem to imply that before December 1987 or so, Free Spin was on the wheel for more than just Round 1. However, when I look at the Wheel configurations page, I can only find a single instance of Free Spin listed somewhere other than a Round 1 chart (Nighttime Round 2, under the 1987 column, to be precise).

Wouldn't there be a conflict in here somewhere? Either the statement about Free Spin being limited to Round 1 in December 1987 is wrong, by implying that Free Spin was on the wheel in later rounds before then, when the wheel configurations page proves that Free Spin was only ever on the Round 1 wheel; or else, the wheel configurations page has mistakes, by not showing Free Spin in later rounds, prior to its being restricted to Round 1.

Just my observations... BryceLozier 02:51, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Green and yellow
Kingskip, once again. It's either an error, something regarding sports (unlikely), or an unfinished version of the 1985-89 logo. I'm still looking for any other examples.

As for an episode index...not a bad idea, actually. :) -Daniel Benfield 05:28, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * About an episode index, if I do one, I don't think I'll try to list all of kingskip's holdings – the guy has (as of this writing) over 380 episodes! If anything, I'd do daytime and Seasons 1-6 nighttime. -Daniel Benfield 05:42, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

$39K loss removed?
I don't recall removing it; if it was removed, it was accidental--I honestly don't know what happened when I was making my own edits. Gameshowguy2000 18:23, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Re:1995 Episode
Kingskip, of course (albeit marked as May 8). I was just going to mark it down for its own events until I got to the Bonus Round. -Daniel Benfield 22:18, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

(Also, you may want to split off the 2011 discussions to an archive page – this page is getting kind of long, IMO.)
 * By the way, thanks for correcting the WHICH OLD WITCH video info – I didn't realize it was slowed down. (Then again, it's an old video from Brad Francini's site, so...) -Daniel Benfield 22:24, February 20, 2012 (UTC)