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Re:Timeline
Putting the bullet too far to the left seems to be its usage by default. Personally, since I couldn't seen any difference in the formatting, I've removed them. -Daniel Benfield 06:12, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Nickname '79
I found it on YouTube, apparently uploaded by the day's champion. The puzzle is only seen briefly, and the tape has certainly seen better days. The airdate was obtained from a V/O for The Innocent and The Damned, by way of TV Tango.

Nickname? In my Chuck-and-Susan Wheel? It's more likely than you think... --Daniel Benfield 02:52, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Wheel
The top dollar values all moved next to Bankrupt on the Season 27 premiere. Daniel Benfield 01:12, June 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * As for Composer/Song and Show/Song, I vaguely recall a Composer category being used once or twice. I've checked quite a few episodes of Season 13 (the first two shows, October 27, December 1 and 11, the December episode with Ed Asner, January 4 and 25, February 9 and 27, and April 24)...and found nothing, except that Slogan actually debuted by February 9, 1996. Daniel Benfield 02:56, June 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * While I originally disagreed about placing the Wheel 2000 timeline on that version's page, I've quickly grown accustomed to it. For the record, I still consider it Season 18 of the daytime show. (Of course, with such an opinion comes the admission that it got even cheaper, but...) -Daniel Benfield 23:10, June 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Quick thing, here – where did you find the 1986 show with five Free Spins and a player winning without ever spinning the Wheel? -Daniel Benfield 06:19, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re:GSN
Ah. Sorry. I had gotten some stuff mixed up, and besides that I don't have GSN. :( -Daniel Benfield 02:38, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Wheel OF Fortune Season 29
Season Premiere of Season 29 is September 19

I sent Wheel of Fortune an email

and they said Wheel Loves Los Angeles that will air September 12 is a rerun from Season 28

Gift Tag?
Where did you find out the gift tag is retired? Did you go to a taping? If you were referring to the shot of the Spa Fantasy set, they probably just didn't put it or the prize wedge on the wheel yet.


 * I see what you mean, but before each show, they set the wheel so that the yellow contestant's flipper sits in the middle of $2,500. It's possible that they add the prizes as soon as they set the wheel to its starting position, but then again, why are the 1/2 car tags there? It will be sad to see the prize wedges go after all these years if this is the case, but I guess something has to go with everything they're putting on the wheel these days. MarioGS 00:21, August 9, 2011 (UTC) MarioGS

Re:Cynthia Washington
She was listed among my documents as being one of those who filled in between Susan and Vanna. Admittedly, my documents were compiled from a variety of (mostly online) sources, so it may be wrong in areas despite my attempts to keep them up-to-date and error-free (although I've totally given up documenting the newer game/reality shows – that just got to be a pain).

I know for certain that Vanna and McCarty tried out, as claimed by Vanna (they did a week each) and evidenced in the E! True Hollywood Story (speaking of which, I need to find a copy of that for pictures...), and Vanna's claim that she and Vicky (Vicki? I'm not certain about that...) did a week each, leads me to believe that there were two other candidates who also did a week each. If I am incorrect, I apologize. -Daniel Benfield 05:33, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

(On a side note, a search for Susan in Google News turned up a Brides' Week in January 1977!)

Hour-long in November '75? And more!
Some stuff I've found via Google News:


 * It turns out we were VERY wrong about when the hour-long shows began. According to The Dispatch (October 31, 1975), Wheel expanded to an hour for the week of November 3 as part of NBC's Daytime Gigantic Game Gala. This was also the week that Chuck and Susan played on Celebrity Sweepstakes and the week that The Hollywood Squares expanded to an hour. I'm not sure how this affects the December-January hour-long stint, though; for all I know, Wheel may have kept on sailing through January 16.


 * Susan missed at least four weeks in Fall 1977, as mentioned by the Lakeland Ledger (September 26, 1977), due to falling off a trampoline while rehearsing for Circus of the Stars. I'm about 98% sure that Arte Johnson's appearance was during this period.


 * The Christmas Day '78 show, with Jo Ann Pflug and Chuck's daughter Melissa plus what may be the first on-camera appearance of Charlie O' – as Santa!


 * Chuck gets viewers to jam the show's phone line.


 * Portland Week was September 21-25, 1981...although I highly doubt they recorded the episodes there as the article says.


 * There was a pretty funny but unaired segment in January 1982 involving Susan, two firemen, and *ahem* cardiopulmonary resuscitation.


 * Susan taught Vanna (1987).

Just thought I'd share. I've updated the network timeline, Susan's page, and Charlie's page accordingly...but I'm not sure how to go about implementing the last two items. -Daniel Benfield 08:25, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Network timeline
While I understand your logic, I prefer the "season" layout as it kept consistency with the nighttime timeline and made things a bit easier to edit (at least for me). It seems to have not only made certain events flow better, but also kept the page's headers consistent with each other. -Daniel Benfield 21:56, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * September-August just seems more...more "right", to me. My reasoning is that Wheel debuted in midseason, so its first "season" ran until September to let it "catch up" with most of the other TV shows. Further, the original NBC run ended in June 1989 (when one would expect to finish up a season), the switch from CBS to NBC was a midseason event, and the daytime show ended in September 1991 (again, when one would expect to finish up a season). If you agree, great; if not, know that I've made a poll on the WOFLovers board in an attempt to reach a consensus. -Daniel Benfield 07:23, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I botched said poll by voting in it. Not like anybody cared, anyway. While I still think my logic is sound (in addition to the above and the fact it was {IMO} easier to read, the table of contents now looks not only pretty empty, but also cluttered and hard to read – the "year" headers almost blend in with the numerical sections on the left-hand side), I feel that were I to change it back to "my" style...you will just change it back to "your" style. -Daniel Benfield 08:03, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know I changed it back...felt I had to, because it just looked too cluttered otherwise. Change it back if you want; it's your Wiki. -Daniel Benfield 08:31, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Images
I get your message about placing images after the bullets. Sorry about that. In addition, I try to find the right place to place the appropriate image. But thanks to you for your help.

Thanks :)
Much like when I disputed the Wheel 2000 movement, I've managed to grow accustomed to the new layout of the network timeline. My deepest, sincerest apologies if I acted like a moron. No hard feelings, I hope? -Daniel Benfield 03:58, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

June 1987 nighttime show
I just found this episode, uploaded by one of the contestants. It struck me as odd that the show went to commercial when that player won $10,000 and did the shopping during that, but despite a comment on the second video I cannot recall any instance of the show going to break between the puzzle solve and shopping.

I thought I'd alert you to this episode if you didn't know about it, and I'm wondering...would that be considered a mid-round break? -Daniel Benfield 09:30, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Big Bonanza
This episode (other parts are in sidebar), which the uploader claims is from 1988. Sadly, there's no final segment, so I don't know whether it was a repeat – and if so, whether Jack was still alive. -Daniel Benfield 18:02, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Zeroes
There is a picture (I can't remember where) that shows Pat and Vanna in front of the puzzle board in celebration of the 3,000th daytime show (or some x,000 number). The zeroes used there are the same as the "wide O's" from 1989. -Daniel Benfield 03:47, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Edit – I found it. -Daniel Benfield 03:54, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Bonus Round chevrons
I'm talking about those elongated chevrons that debuted with the Bob Goen version. You don't remember them? They were used throughout the entire Goen version, and on the nighttime show from 1989-1992.- Gameshowguy2000 01:31, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Check the Wheel of Fortune timeline (network) page, and you'll see them in the background behind Goen.- Gameshowguy2000 01:31, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

For a better look at them, I recommend this page. Scroll down until you see the $5,000 sign and Subaru Justy photos (I think that was the car during the first week of shows); they're right behind it. That should give you a good idea of what they look like. - Gameshowguy2000 23:14, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

The 90's in...November 1994
A Dallas episode in Season 12 used "The Nineties", which can be seen here. (The puzzle refers to an event on September 14, 1994.)

Just when I think I've found everything there is to know, there comes this. -Daniel Benfield 17:38, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Ross Perot bonus question
The question was, "How did he make his money?", to which the answer was that he was in the Information Technology business. Jude, the contestant who solved the puzzle and got that question, said he was in real estate. - Gameshowguy2000 23:31, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Odd IP Address Edits
I noticed these odd notes were added to the network timeline by the IP address 68.63.217.221:

-On one show, Chuck is in a tuxedo. This may have been from a Wedding themed week.
 * 1980

-At the end of the June 23 show, Vanna says to Pat she went on a vacation and gives him some gifts that she found for him.
 * 1986

-Jack Clark's last show airs this [May], possibly on the 6th. Charlie O'Donnell begins to fill in as announcer. -For one week [in August] Johnny Gilbert fills in as announcer.
 * 1988

-August 30 is the day the last first-run show on daytime television airs (Classic Concentration also airs its last daytime show).
 * 1991

...I really don't know about any of this. I've been able to trace Jack's premature departure to this obituary from July 27, which states that he left the show "several months ago". Aside from that and maybe the 1991 bit, I am uncertain how much of this is accurate. The bit about Chuck in a tuxedo seems to refer to a photograph I have yet to find, and the only thing which matches the comment is the 1977 Brides' Week (although that kind of event may very well have occurred more than once). -Daniel Benfield 07:22, September 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've edited the comments to fit the guidelines (bullet points, etc.); based on an edit to the nighttime timeline by the same IP address, it seems to be a knowledgeable American user. -Daniel Benfield 09:07, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Articles Of Interest?
Some items of interest I found while trying to verify the above:
 * I may have found the reason Wheel slapped a 1983 tag on a '70s open, and it involves a reporter whose research "skills" were worse than Leach (July 14, 1988).
 * Nancy Jones offered Vanna the daytime hosting reins! (July 27, 1988...and suddenly, all those video games don't seem so weird.)
 * Vanna shoots down rumors that she demanded the daytime hosting reins. (August 21, 1988)
 * Oddity about the nighttime show – 15 seconds of the July 27, 1988 show were cut out in favor of a Jimmy Carter campaign ad from '76!
 * Note about an amusing 1988 Samsung ad – a robotic hostess on Wheel in 2012. Vanna sued them for $1,000,000.
 * Apparently, the Radio City Music Hall stint didn't go so well...

-Daniel Benfield 07:22, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Official Word on Overdubbing
If you are talking about a message someone from the show left to a member of the Sony boards, then posted it on the boards, it basically said that it was a tough decision and they decided that it would have been too sad to hear Charlie's voice so close to his death. MarioGS 03:05, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've added the official reason to Charlie O'Donnell along with Misconceptions and Myths, but I wanted to state my two cents on the matter – mainly, I don't believe a word of it. Not only does it fly in the face of what has been done on game shows in the past (i.e., The Price Is Right), they pretty much erased the man's work. Sure, the official reason tugs at heartstrings and may be good PR, but in my opinion it's just BS. Of course, I'd rather hear their reasoning for dubbing the Summer reruns, since that makes even less sense and there's no defense Wheel could put up. -Daniel Benfield 15:03, September 4, 2011 (UTC)