User talk:Daniel Benfield/2014 Archive

About a Nighttime Circulation list
Hi Daniel. This is UltimaGanon. I was wondering if you would consider adding a list of currently circulating nighttime episodes, the same type of thing you have for the daytime episodes (the existing/circulating list).

173.252.33.52 23:21, January 1, 2014 (UTC)UltimaGanon
 * Honestly, at this time I don't see a need for one...at least not outside of my userspace, mainly because I don't actually know precisely what circulates (and couldn't put quite a few into timeframes like the Video Archives because some of them aren't online; I do know the "what circulates" list includes about half of Season 6 and the entirety of Season 7) and I'd be getting distracted by updating that page constantly, not to mention that more recent seasons are usually available online. It's a good idea, though, and I'll definitely keep it in mind. :) -Daniel Benfield (talk) 12:09, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Gameplay Structure
Daniel, where did these recollections about the gameplay structure being changed come from? I'm watching tonight's Wheel of Fortune episode right now and the Mystery Round is not in Round One as said recollection claimed.74.199.41.92 00:31, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Game Show Network Logo
Hello, Daniel. I had uploaded the original Game Show Network logo last night. I originally found it as a JPEG file. However, I opened it in Paint and saved as a PNG, and per the Manual of Style, I re-uploaded it as such. I am doing the best that I can to obey your rules, unlike that other user. [I need not mention his user name.] Have a nice day, sir.—Brandon Devers 13:21, February 18, 2014 (UTC)

Busted!
It seems the RuTube WoF archive is no more, unfortunately. I thought that because it was a non-English site, it could be pulled off. I guess not. Mechamind (talk) 00:59, February 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * How did they manage to do that? Gameshowguy2000 (talk) 04:06, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of Wheel of Fortune episodes on Veoh.com, thank goodness. Just hope the people who posted them have a block to keep companies like Sony from being able to get in there and remove them.74.199.41.92 13:33, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm really not sure why Sony would go after Kingskip to begin with, since it seemed for a while that their viewpoint was "Ah, screw it, let 'em have their Wheel and Jeopardy!." As far as I know, he wasn't making money off the hundreds of videos he had up.
 * As I said over on BAV when this was brought up, though, I really don't want to think about how much is going to have to be done. No pages will be moved, condensed into others, or deleted until after the cleanup/replacements, and then only after the remainder's assessed to determine what individual seasons (of 7, 12, 13, 14, 27, 28, 29, and 30) should still have their own dedicated subpages.
 * If anybody knows any suitable replacements, by all means go ahead and replace. (Just make sure what you're replacing has actually been removed.) I've already taken care of the Daytime Video Archive, which has only had one casualty (12/21/87). -Daniel Benfield (talk) 18:31, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

About the Archive
Well, the reason I left the text there is that I didn't know if you wanted to keep it there or remove it altogether. No I haven't found links for those episodes... yet. Most of them I probably won't be able to find links for. I wanted to leave it up to you what to do with the text. UltimaGanon (talk) 05:05, February 27, 2014 (UTC)UltimaGanon
 * If no footage is available for an episode, the listing probably shouldn't be there and can easily be re-added if something of it is found. The only exceptions are for Megaword puzzles, per the Season 12 page.
 * If the only available link for an episode goes to a message saying "This video is private.", structure the listing like any other but add the tags so it'll be there if the video is ever set to Public (anybody can see it) or Hidden (only those with the link can see it). If said video ends up being removed (which can also be noted by YouTube as being "unavailable"), the listing should be removed (again barring instances of Megaword). -Daniel Benfield (talk) 05:14, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

RuTube
I'm trying to open up cached pages of those Wheel of Fortune episodes so I can watch them on rutube but it isn't working, surprisingly. What gives? 74.199.41.92 00:10, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * They've all been deleted. BryceLozier (talk) 00:56, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think he knows, he's trying to pull up the caches of those videos. Caches restore a webpage at a prior date in which it worked. I've tried pulling up the caches as well, and I also wonder why it doesn't work. UltimaGanon (talk) 03:25, March 18, 2014 (UTC)UltimaGanon
 * Never knew you could do that! You learn something new every day, I guess. BryceLozier (talk) 04:07, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * But my question is, why, if I'm opening up a cached version of the page from a date prior to the video being removed, the video isn't playing? I'm taken to the page with the video but I am just shown a blank white section where the video screen should be. 74.199.41.92 12:19, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * No idea why that's happening. It's possible that RuTube has measures in place to prevent the videos from being played in the cache, but that's a total guess. -Daniel Benfield (talk) 04:26, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Yellow/Tan
Does anyone know why the yellow wedges on the pre-1986 Wheel are being referred to as tan on the timeline?

W. Austin Higgins (talk) 03:49, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess some people (mostly myself) confused the two, since at least to me the yellow wedges looked tan. If it's wrong (and I'm pretty sure it is given your contributions), go ahead and fix them if need be. -Daniel Benfield (talk) 03:56, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

"and where did the 5/12/89 info come from?"
I have the episode on tape. Didn't you see me recap it on Buy a Vowel? TenPoundHammer (talk) 13:36, April 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * I usually don't go into the retro recap section. I had thought it popped up online somewhere and I missed it, so I'll gladly take my spoonful of herp-a-derp and leave it at that. :) -Daniel Benfield (talk) 22:01, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

About the man winning the $10,000 Wedge twice...
Here's my proof of its happening.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.tv.game-shows/bouffar%7Csort:relevance%7Cspell:false/alt.tv.game-shows/YsYzQkYEMoY/HV5IK-lnfVgJ


 * Proof wasn't really necessary, but always good to have. :) (Also...wow, Joe Capitano's Wheel recaps look bad when it comes to trying to figure out what the puzzles were; I don't need any help figuring them out, mind you, but holy crap that's some ill-advised formatting.) -Daniel Benfield (talk) 07:52, April 7, 2014 (UTC)

The Truth vs. Rumors

 * 1) Not every person that worked for Wheel of Fortune is still alive. Some of them have been "deceased" which means they have passed away. Example: Charlie O'Donnell passed away in November 2010.
 * 2) I'm the kind of person that likes to be organized and neat. It is true that both CTV & CBC has aired Wheel of Fortune back in the day.
 * 3) I'm here to be fair; not to fool around. And what kind of person does not want to be very specific? e.g.: "83-84" instead of 1983-1984.
 * 4) I try to be a positive person and I can't vandalize on any wikia site.
 * 5) Not every wikia site has certain badges that you can earn. When I saw Wheel of Fortune Wikia for example, you can earn badges by adding categories, uploading pictures, article editing, for contributing to the wiki for 1 consecutive year or 365 days in a row.
 * 6) I always try to think before doing anything. I can't earn my badges if I don't contribute consecutively.
 * So, what don't you want me to do? What things would you say is appropriate to this site?
 * 1) I'm not here to spread rumors or tell a lie or fool around. I'm here to gather the facts!


 * In order:
 * 1) I'm well aware of that. I just think the individual pages themselves note whether someone is alive or dead better than a category could. At that moment, the use of a "deceased" category felt...wrong, and I'm not sure how to explain that.
 * 2) Fair enough.
 * 3) Point one: that's good. Point two: being very specific is fine, so long as it's accurate.
 * 4) Well, it's not that you can't vandalize (i.e., it's possible to do so); it's that you shouldn't (i.e., you'd get in trouble).
 * 5) I'm well aware of that. As has been noted around here (particularly on Gameshowsareforever's talk page), we're not doing this Wiki for the badges.
 * 6) Point one: great to do. Point two: see above. If you want to do it for the badges, that's your prerogative and all I can do is make sure the edits don't break anything.
 * 7) Other than the obvious stuff we hold to everybody (don't post false stuff, don't vandalize, don't forget to sign your messages on talk pages, pretty much anything Wikia says "Hey, you, don't do that." to)? Uploading badly-named pictures (the various GSN logos), and moving quotes or pictures for no discernible reason; you've made galleries where there was previously no real need for them (particularly the Wheel configurations page), and a "Quote" section on the Pat Sajak page that consisted of the one previously at the top of said page...which ended up putting the "Drunk" section underneath it.
 * 8) (er, 7b) We have a different style than the Game Shows Wiki and aren't affiliated with them outside of both being Wikia sites. As such, it seemed as if you were trying to put their style of pages onto this Wiki (ask an admin or on the respective talk page if you think the formatting or somesuch of a page could be improved). Other than those, though...I can't really say anything negative.
 * 9) (er, 7c) As for what's appropriate...this Wiki's been around for three years, and I'm still not sure I can really answer that question. It might be a good thing to put to the Wiki at large on the front page's talk page.
 * 10) (er, 8) ...When did I accuse you of doing any of those? If you're here to gather the facts, by all means; if you're posting something based on a recollection, it's probably best to note "according to one recollection" or the like since it prevents people from going "Well, they said it happened!" if it turns out said statements aren't true due to being muddled over years (or, heck, being out-and-out lies).
 * 11) (because I wanted to note this) Like I said, new quality contributors are always welcome; personally (and TPH, who created this place, might think otherwise), I think we got off to a shaky start. Further, your comments came across as thinking I hated you; even if I'm wrong on that assessment, I don't hate you (it's not worth it to get riled up) and want you to keep contributing. -Daniel Benfield (talk) 01:23, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

Nighttime Wheel, S-1
Think you may want to see this...

http://www.facebook.com/winkmartindalegames/photos/a.1485144971712624.1073741827.1485120435048411/1523845044509283/?type=1

"Wheel of Fortune" (Syndication) Show # S-1 VTR 7-6-83 AIR TBA

BryceLozier (talk) 01:40, April 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ever more proof that every time I think the classic Wheel well's run dry, I'm proven wrong. :) Alongside the obvious gift (when the nighttime version began taping), it also indicates that the Ohio State Fair shows taped August 18-19 were not the first nighttime shows by a long shot (#S-52 was taped August 28, so they'd already done the first ten weeks at maximum before 8/18). It also proves that the slates did not use leading zeros.
 * And of course, the comments want to see Woolery Wheel. Heck, if anybody can pull out super-rare Woolery footage (if Wink or one of his cohorts is reading this: #1, welcome; #2, anything from 1975 would be appreciated) at this point, it's these guys...and perhaps videoarchives1000, given his fantastic collection.
 * (On a side note, I added some  tags to your message, since it's clear you intended to show it the way it was on the slate.) -Daniel Benfield (talk) 04:39, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

New episode?
Check my talk page. Apparently there's a conflict on February 1989 episodes. Any chance you can untangle? TenPoundHammer (talk) 05:31, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

Prize Puzzle in 1997
Well, this has been quite a week for earthshattering news surrounding Classic Wheel, but here's another you might want to take a look at. It's the "Prize Puzzle" but in 1997, and yes it's even referred to as the Prize Puzzle by Pat.

Prize Puzzle in 1997 thread/video

Wow is all I have to say, just wow.

UltimaGanon (talk) 01:38, April 14, 2014 (UTC)UltimaGanon
 * I'll look into what's available of Season 15 and see if I can find anything else, but it's definitely getting noted in Gameplay elements and the timeline. All I have to say (I'll post my full thoughts in the thread) is...wow, it sucked just as hard back then, too. -Daniel Benfield (talk) 02:14, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

1995 Episode
I used to have the September 26, 1995 episode (where Ann retires undefeated and finally wins a bonus round) on tape from 1996 summer reruns. I don't remember the male contestant's name but I definitely remember the Ann's female opponent was named Michelle.

Bobby88 (talk) 23:58, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Season 13 suggestion.
I have some evidence that the "1000-3500-5000" format was in use for the Seattle episodes and the first week of Hawaii. You may want to put that in.

Another thing: On one of the Seattle episodes, Charlie reads the description for the Round 3 Prize (a $3,000+ trip to Paris) against precedent.

First-run archive suggestion
The recent YouTube archive of S31 episodes was mass-wiped by Sony. If it was up to me, the only newer episodes I'd link are ones featured individually, as they are less likely to be taken down. If they are taken down, it wouldn't be all at once.

I'm still not as concerned about pre-S26 episodes, which are probably at the same level as individual uploads.

Mechamind (talk) 03:08, July 5, 2014 (UTC)

Wheel 2000 layout
About the Wheel 2000 layout, Daniel, I personally believe that it should be noted that the color scheme on the first taped episode was consistently patternized (indigo/black, blue, red, yellow, orange, pink, green) throughout. But since it's your Wiki, I don't know how you feel about that or if you think you can find a place that is better to put it than where I put it.

The other thing was I wanted to know if it is okay to post screenshots of computer/video game versions of Wheel.